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Massive task of helping look after all the refugees, despite the fact that president biden said the united states would take 100,000 refugees. these are the differences that exist. the unity has been good. we can expect the kremlin to exploit any gaps, they say. >> on macron, though, nic, why do you think he's so optimistic? he says apparently he's got putin's ears. but they have had meetings with very little results. wipe is he optimistic something may come out of this? >> reporter: president macron typically in his international diplomacy has been optimistic. he was optimistic when he tried ...

Do before a cease-fire is aid the humanitarian situation. this is why you hear president macron say he wouldn't use the kind of language president biden is using. tpheugs that detracts from that is not in anyone's interest. it highlights the position of the european union and the united states where the larger, sort of bigger states within the european union, bigger nations, are more concerned about the impact that the war is having on them. and they feel the united states doesn't get the same impact, with shortages of energy, gas and oil, and doesn't feel the same impact as the number of refu...

Discriminated against. yet here we have the ukrainian president speaking in russian to the russian people saying that, you know, ukrainians can speak in either ukrainian or russian. this is something he is willing to discuss in any ongoing negotiations. so it was a widespread interview in which he addressed a lot of questions. i think the key question, however, is whether or not it will have an impact on ordinary russians if they are able to access it and see it >> we will see in the next few days what is being said inside the country. thank you very much. well, the heavy fighting in mariupo...

>> translator: we need to not escalate things. i would continue to hold discussions with president putin. what do we want to do collectively? we want to stop the war russia has war without waging war and without escalation. >> let's get more on this from nic robertson from brussels. good morning to you. we heard president macron kind of suggest, nic, that perhaps the u.s. position and the eu position vis-a-vis russia. what's your read of this? >> reporter: well, going into this, the united states said it would pursue diplomacy with russia right up to the last minute when they crossed into ukra...

Consumed by their own domestic turmoil and macron is stepping up. he's the one strongest voice out there to counter president trump in that sense. and he has decided to do that. you're right, the bromance is over. this is no longer than effort on macron's part to flatter and warm up to the president. he has tried to work with him on a number of occasions. just a couple months ago at the g-7 we watched macron try to bring trump and iran together to try to get past the impasse we've had over the nuclear program and other issues. i think you see a little bit of frustration on his part that he has...