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We passed the tax bill last year. those rates are locked in now. the budget control act locks in the spending levels. that's what the democrats want in the long run. now, we hope when we get past this immediate crisis that we have an opportunity to talk about what we're going to do to put the country on a more sustainable fiscal path reign it n. out of control spending. create jobs. >> any sort of deal that's reached is that it doesn't expire after the midterm elections so the american people have a chance to evaluate it and vote on it accordingly whether they like it or hate it any deadline t...

Add together. great state of wisconsin. >> thanks for having me. >> on plan doesn't just have to pass the house. it has to pass the senate, too. is that even possible? we'll ask john thune who to go "on the record" next. also, karl rove is here. what does he have to say about tonight's developing news from capitol hill. it's developing every second. is there any chance of avoiding that default deadline? karl rove coming up. and you can hash it out with us. do you think congress will get its act together? that includes the house and senate. tweet or post on facebook right now. hash tag greta an...

Showed this morning and get up and announce some of those things that extremists. those are things that the they would have agreed to. the president has struck a hard line. get the impression they this are more interested in the political advantage than the solution here. >> i don't understand senator harry reid's strategy extremist republicans. doesn't help to have senator boehner insulting part of his house. then he is saying that he is deeply disappointed with speaker boehner. then you have got leader nancy pelosi saying deeply disappointed with boehner. trying to undermine any possibility ...

Came out and said that it doesn't do anything to obama care and it put a lot of heat on the republicans in the house; is that right? >> that may be true in part. a lot of people i talked to were supportive. quite frankly our amendment causes people not to support it members are going to have to pay more. there are members on our sidenned at democratic side who don't like that. i think it's helpful in terms of the fight against obama care. if you have a statute that imposes burdens on society and then politically connected can get delays, waivers, or what have you, then, it makes it more diffic...

Ceiling problem was going to roll around in mid october. enough to they have made this mess. apparently what stopped any sort of progress tonight is heritage action, which is a conservative group, who apparently sent some memo around that to republicans in the house saying it doesn't do anything to obama care. and that suddenly was putting, you know, a stink bomb into any possible vote tonight. so, yes, it is a real mess with you it's a very painful one. >> look, it doesn't do much to obama care. it does something. it removes that congressional waiver which is a big thing for the american peop...