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Lose with trump. >> he wants to win, and they cannot win with trump. not that trump is a bad person who caged children and separated families, or banned muslims for country, or fanned the flames of racism and antisemitism, i can go on and on. no, that is not it. it is not policies that paul ryan has a problem, with it is the name trump. it is only about power for these republicans, it is rarely about principle. >> and one thing that i always remember about paul ryan, there is that wikipedia page on spinelessness, they put a photo paul ryan there. >> mehdi, a great show. i'm sure you can get up...

Support a third trump presidential run. >> i've never again trumper. why? because i want to win. and we lose with trump. >> he wants to win, and they can't win with trump. not that trump is bad a person who caged children and separated families are banned muslims from the country or fan the flames of racism and antisemitism. i can go on and on. no, that's not it. it's not policies that paul ryan has a problem with. it's the name trump. it's all about power for republicans, not principle. >> one thing i always remember about -- wikipedia page on spinelessness -- prompts to that person. >> mandy...

>> that was a bold thing to say prior to campaigning there. do you still hold that view? is it time for iowa to step aside? >> of course i do. i didn't think, mehdi, when i said that in the 2020 campaign, that that would be the most controversial thing i could say in iowa iowans. but it was. and i still believe that we should take a different direction. of course, the rules committee of the dmz is gonna have that opportunity and december 6th, and here's why, as i said back then, basically iowa and new hampshire have had their positions -- early 1970s. we changed a lot since that time, as a cou...