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Neurotic and i'm a -- >> can we delve into that one? >> yes. >> how he tells the truth about us when this is over. you can look at all of these things where he bashing people and attacked people and sat down with them and changed his mind. when he is given other evidence like james mattis on on waterboarding. there are foreign leaders that watch this show. there are ambassadors that watch this show. if you want to understand donald trump, so much of it has to do with personal relationships. if the people that go in and talk to him today just go in and give him the facts and if they are extraor...

President on waterboarding, his answer. here it is. >> you don't consider a prolonged period of creating the sensation of drowning, you don't consider it torture? >> i don't. tell me what terrorist attacks is it you would have let go forward because you didn't want to be a mean and nasty fellow? are you going to trade the lives of a number of people because you want to preserve your honor? >> a couple of questions here. i think that's twisted thinking. and there are americans out there who think that he may be a war criminal. your thoughts on all that. >> well, i am fascinated that he contrast...

>> cheney says he wouldn't change a thing. i mean, how do you possibly explain this kind of thinking, that there is no admission of any mistake whatsoever? >> well, that alone is a part of cheney's ideology, never to look back and never to acknowledge any change of heart. look, the fact is if you were to ask dick cheney would you like to trade whatever results you think you've obtained in iraq for, you know, over a trillion dollars in costs when you consider the indirect costs and probably 100,000 lives in iraq and nearly 5,000 american lives, it's very hard for me to believe he would say yeah...

I mean, how do you possibly explain this kind of thinking, that there is no admission of any mistake whatsoever? >> well, that alone is a part of cheney's ideology, never to look back and never to acknowledge any change of heart. look, the fact is if you were to ask dick cheney would you like to trade whatever results you think you've obtained in iraq for, you know, over a trillion dollars in costs when you consider the indirect costs and probably 100,000 lives in iraq and nearly 5,000 american lives, it's very hard for me to believe he would say yeah, i'll take that deal. but he can't admit t...