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Largest demonstrations ever. i assume if they can produce those kind of crowds, the next matter is whether the army reaches the calculation to say, mr. president, you need to go. >> i think that's exactly right. i think the army has decided that it will not fire on the protesters. as you know, they've already said that it would be awful if they were to renege on that. i think they've decided that they cannot be in opposition, they cannot be mowing down protesters. the tiananmen square option seems to be foreclosed. the next thing that the army is going to ask itself is can it save its own skin...

U.k. and prime minister merkel of germany have spoken to him. all essentially, if my sources are correct, giving the same message, telling him that he has to ultimately plan a path to an egypt not led by mubarak. how much leverage do they have especially when the leaders closest to mr. mubarak, the king of saudi arabia, king of jordan, the last thing they're going to do is tell him to step down because that would cause pressure on their own governments. >> right. those leaders, his neighbor's -- mubarak's neighbors have publicly supported him and privately are probably urging him to stand fast...