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Might lie beyond putin. there are dark forces in this society. what we saw was the russian knight of vladimir putin darken concernably with this murder. one of the leading american russian experts who i encountered friday night just after we learned of this man's death was trembling and saying to me almost imploring, david, don't you see what could be next? there are people out there who will take russia back 200 years. i think there's concern about that. we just don't know what's over in next hill in russia. >> all right, david, your concept on this joe? i'm not speculating. >> i got to say. ...

Just does not give a dmn. we had somebody on the show suggesting he's worth $200 billion. he is detached from reality. he does what he wants to do. and i think both george w. push and barack obama willie have underestimated the danger that vladimir putin poses, not just -- >> again -- >> -- not just to his region which barack obama tries to down play him as a declining regional power. this is an extraordinarily dangerous man. who will gun down his political opponents in the shadow of the kremlin? he fears nobody. he fears nothing. he's been killing journalists for a decade now. >> chechnya. >>...

Advising, they're on theground they're providing hardware. and that was a significant threat. and the demonstration that he was planning was to expose this. it would have been very damning because most russians do not have the specific detail. they're not hear that story. it was very threatening. >> go ahead, willie. >> paula, it's willie geist. nothing seems to deter vladimir putin, whether international sanctions or threats militarily. is there anything that can be done by the international community that will make this man feel that he's beening pinched? >> well, you know, i think there are...

Had a poor performance. >> 4%. >> in the straw poll? >> yes. i'm not someone who always dismisses it automatically but i don't think it matters. it's a very libertarian crowd. this straw poll doesn't matter. >> obviously chris christie not on that list. what about chris, bad event for him? >> no. >> come on man. >> because he stood up and he has a message now. he's got a fighting message. >> you were the only person -- you're the only person i have spoken with that says chris christie was not a big loser at that event. >> he was not. he leaves stronger than he came in because he came in really...

>> have you made your mind up yet? >> i don't think he should come. you know how i feel about it. i do think the democrats dealing with whether they should go or not should go. it's the house of congress. it's their house. they should be there. they should see it. it's not their fault the republicans were so hand fisted and made such a stupid decision to undermine the president and bring him here but they should listen and support as best they can. >> i think republicans are guilty. they're guilty of loving israel. >> they're guiltying of pandering and undermining and being divisive which quit...