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Reduce the number of people in prison while also reducing crime so let me just read the main points, okay? creating a $20 billion grant program aimed at pressuring states to eliminate mandatory minimum sentences for non-violent crimes and incentivizing inmates to complete rehabilitation programs and eliminating the disparity between sentences for crack and powder cocaine and decriminalizing marijuana use. does this plan help take the heat off of him for this 1994 crime bill? >> yes, and no. it's importa'm an important ste biden to take. he's been authorship of the crime bill and it's time to m...

Well. >> you didn't defend her record on her own record, as i said, the question is she has her own record to defend, not in comparison to the vice president but she has her own record to defend. >> correct. there is no doubt about it. i think that i can honestly sit here and say in 2010, senator harris was wrong on that so i was happy to see that progression but i also think that it's fair to say that one of the things that you have to do is recognize when you were wrong. recognize the evolution and one of the things that's been the biggest hold up for people like jim cland those who signed o...

Support of the crime bill when she wasn't even a u.s. senator at the time. she wasn't the president of the united states. she wasn't the author of the bill. i think that joe biden is still going to have to answer those questions just like bernie sanders has to answer the questions for why he voted for it and anybody else supportive of it. the democratic party of 1994 is not the democratic party of 2020. >> bakari, cory booker sent out a statement that reads joe biden had more than 40 years to get this right. the proud architect of the failed system is not the right person to fix it. listen, bi...