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Donald trump and they need something else to hang onto. and that's what they're giving them. >> in the leadup to the brexit referendum in the u.k., barack obama who was then visiting the u.k. wrote an op-ed in the telegraph basically saying, guys, don't do this. also ill advised as the american president to -- >> get involved in somebody's internal politics. >> however, is that the same thing as two different russian intelligence organizations conducting cyber espionage against a political party in a foreign country, then leaking the contents of their correspondence to a russian asset, in this...

Congress, and she is as senior and learned as you get on this, it's not true. it is a fiction. it is perpetrated by russia to have people believe that somehow ukraine, which is in a war with russia, in dispute with russia was the one involved in hacking the election or interfering in the u.s. election. what more, michael, can you say to people who continue to believe this or perpetrate this? >> there are several different strands to this conspiracy theory. the most -- i hesitate to use the word legitimate, but the most kind of credible one the then ukrainian ambassador to the united states wro...

Educated people, smart people who continue to believe this bunk that fiona hill told congress, and she is as senior and learned as you get on this, it's not true. it is a fiction. it is perpetrated by russia to have people believe that somehow ukraine, which is in a war with russia, in dispute with russia was the one involved in hacking the election or interfering in the u.s. election. what more, michael, can you say to people who continue to believe this or perpetrate this? >> there are several different stranlds to this conspiracy theory. the most -- i hesitate to use the word legitimate, bu...