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Detector test to show he is not the author, here to debate, thank you both for being here. >> good morning. jillian: how far do you think the administration goes to figure this out, max? >> a lie detector unfortunately requires pulse which mike pence fight find difficult but it's -- it's stun to go see this machine break down in such spectacular fashion, the president had it been obama would have been investigated immediately by congress if an op-ed had come out if there was anything like the one we have seen. jillian: perhaps a little bit much to say there about the vice president i would thi...

Could be someone in many different corners of our government. or our executive branch of the white house. >> yeah. i think someone has given the approximation, maybe 100 different people can be. we have 27 denials. >> i was a senior administration official in this administration and last administration, but you wouldn't have called me a close white house aide or anything like that. again, i think it's worth bearing in mind that this person could be in the close the inner ring of decision making or perhaps a little farther out. >> quote here, one of the major headlines from this article, given ...

The last segment suggested to me anything in this op-ed, could this be someone who is a part of the president's national security team, do you read anything that way? >> in some ways i can certainly make that argument based on what's written in the op-ed. the label senior administration official captures a wide range of people. at senior levels, in the administration. there's certainly, the one anecdote that the author points to the most, the issue area is the president's reaction to things involving russia. and that's been well documented enough that certainly someone else in the administrati...

But i think people think about these things much more than we give people credit for. >> i agree. i think there's a seep effect. we all reacted as tennessee williams way like a cat on a hot tin roof because we follow it so closely. for a lot of people the cumulative effect of public actions actually take a while to shape their personal opinions and that's totally understandable. but i don't think there's any doubt that when we look back at this, the child separation policy, the heading into the past couple of weeks where you had the rule of law, you had the cohen and manafort news, the cfo beg...

He had a piece of paper in his hand that he pulled out and he went over after this announcement denouncing "the new york times" for publishing this op-ed which is written by an anonymous top official in the trump administration, anonymous to you and i, wolf. not the "the new york times" editors saying they know who it is, the identity of the person writing the op-ed and the president touched a nerve with. this calling it gutless. going after "the new york times" for publishing something with an anonymous source and then listing off in a bizarre sense the list of accomplishments so far in the t...