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That's what the biden administration is trying to do. as they're doing it, if they find that the lab leak theory is c coming out at least as likely as the natural origin theory we should look at that seriously because it's not just about the wonderful science dr. goldstein and his colleagues are put ting out but all the other things that go into the forensic investigation of how we got into this mess and the actual science is one small part of it. >> steven, to that point, you say it's vastly more likely that it begins from nature rather than a lab. but you also cite, based on open source info...

Biden administration, what cnn reported was not had an they changed their opinion based on no evidence because we don't know that. we know they're engaged in a review of the tinlgs, both the open source and nonopen source. they have access to a lot more information than me, than you, more information than steven goldstein. we don't know that there's no new evidence. that's not correct. we don't know what they're finding. they've got a lot of resources. it's not just about the science either, right? they have intercepts, intelligence, and human sources. what we know from what the biden administ...

Were tested. zero were limpinged to the coronavirus outbreak were found and the investigation, which was done jointly with the chinese government was not allowed to investigate the lab in any serious way. they took down the database in december 2019. they've not allowed even the w.h.o. investigators to look at the data. i don't know what the preponderance of the evidence is, but there's a lot of covering up going on in the lab. i think everyone can agree. and the head of the w.h.o. is the one who said it most clearly, premature push to dismiss the lab link there. that's what he said. taking is...

Be able for those scrutinizing this. >> isn't the starting point to look at what happened before january 20th of 2017? you know, you look and see where the military or government officials would have stayed in that region and all of a sudden if there's a shift, isn't that right there, the beginning of the issue? >> certainly. and much of that will be open sourced and should be fairly easy for congress and for other folks in the public space to be able to obtain. in addition to that, no question there's satellite imagery that would show where military planes would land when they make stopovers ...

You're looking for is somebody working on the inside of the federal government in this case russia and who's doing so from the inside. the fact this might be the president of the united states is pretty chilling. and when you start looking at the competing stories, if you will, the competing narratives as so why this happened and what the president is up to, on the one hand you've got all sorts -- we have two years worth of data. this is all open source information. either press people or get their hands on which sort of leads back. sort of not something -- pretty directly leads back to russia...