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International world order going? >> well, i think there is elements of truth to both of those view points. i do think it's been for the last 17 years an absolutely essential part of the open world order. but i also think that it is time and was time trump or no trump in the aftermath of some of the over ambitious exercises of the past years and in the light of the rise of china, it was time to have a serious conversation about how you reshape and how you fashion the international system for the 21st century. i don't think very much people in the administration are having serious conversations ...

Economy going? >> well, i think the truth to both of those viewpoints, i think it's being for the last 17 years essential part of the open world order. i also think it is time and was time, trump or no trump in the aftermath of some of the overambitious past few years and in the light of the rise of china it was a time to show how you fashion that to the 21st century. i don't think have many people in the administration are having serious conversations of that sort. president trump has an extremely transactional approach and a view of international relations. they are deals where i win you los...