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Has been when this has been the operating ethos. that the ends justifies the means -- or ui'm sorry, the me s s justifies the ends. and the thing is, this might be something where donald trump might rue the day that he made this selection. >> john nixon, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate your insight. >> thank you. >> joining me now is michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia. michael, we just got readouts from both the prime minister of the uk, theresa may, and the white house on the call that the president had with may aboard air force one about that attack in the uk, t...

The state department management during the benghazi hearings. he took a lot of criticism for that. our reporting shows did want to stay, but was told that his services would no longer be needed. he left this week along with several other people who have kind of in the building and in the department management functions. this really is in keeping with the trump administration's view that they want to bring in their own people. i don't know whether they consider pat kennedy part of the swamp, but they certainly have made it clear that drain the swamp is the operating ethos, and there are a lot o...

Dependence on foreign oil. there's no barrels marked somewhere, foreign. what you can do is reduce your dependence on oil. when you do that, that is something you do on the demand side. it's not something you do on the supply side. there isn't enough supply to put a dent in the global escalation of prices for oil we're going to see with china and india, increasing demand. what we can do is make our economy, our transportation much more efficient so we just don't need as much oil. >> this comment from mr. hayward that, it's not my fault, but we'll clean it up anyway, is that the ultimate sin so...

Exchanges, and so there is no such thing as reducing our dependence on foreign oil. there's no barrels marked somewhere, foreign. what you can do is reduce your dependence on oil. when you do that, that is something you do on the demand side. it's not something you do on the supply side. there isn't enough supply to put a dent in the global escalation of prices for oil we're going to see with china and india, increasing demand. what we can do is make our economy, our transportation much more efficient so we just don't need as much oil. >> this comment from mr. hayward that we heard today, that...