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Betsy, i don't like to ask where the line is for any house democrat, but i guess what i'll ask you is, it feels like it was an open secret for a while among chris wallace, who pushed kevin mccarthy, among liz cheney, who dangled this information about kevin mccarthy needing to be a fact witness, now among people covering jim jordan, who sort of hummed about how many times and when he talked to donald trump. what is sort of the operating thesis on what they're hiding, specifically, as it regards records? >> specifically, what the select committee is looking for is going to be any sort of phone ...

This is the understanding that the police have. the latest on the investigation that we heard earlier today, the pair remain in critical condition in the same hospital, just eight miles from here. they cannot say -- the british police and government cannot say at this time that the poisoning is from the same batch, which would mean the same precise chemical makeup, meaning they could say that this was some piece of contaminant left over from the attack in march that's been picked up over this past weekend by this couple. at the moment, that's where the investigation stands. that idea of a left...

They just can't believe it. so they leak it. and i think that's a lot of what you get in the press today. >> and, matthew, this of course adds to a paranoia which has been kind of an operating thesis in that west wing you cover. >> that's exactly right. we know the president sort of feels this paranoia about the deep state or other leakers. but to touch on what jeremy said earlier, it is sort of a paranoia of back-stabbing in the west wing that leads to so many of these leaks happening. donald trump does not engender a lot of loyalty in his staff, either to him or to each other. so i think wha...

They're seeing and what they're hearing when they go into a meeting in the oval office, and they just can't believe it. so they leak it. and i think that's a lot of what you get in the press today. >> and, matthew, this of course adds to a paranoia which has been kind of an operating thesis in that west wing you cover. >> that's exactly right. we know the president sort of feels this paranoia about the deep state or other leakers. but to touch on what jeremy said earlier, it is sort of a paranoia of back-stabbing in the west wing that leads to so many of these leaks happening. donald trump doe...

Road in figuring out who leakers are in the news you read throughout the day? >> well, i think one of the more interesting developments of covering this administration, brian, is the way that the leaks aren't always coming from inside the white house but from the peripheral agencies and entities, the intelligence agencies, the national security agencies, congress. there are plenty of people on a daily basis who have interaction with this administration and with this president who frankly are flabbergasted at what they're seeing and what they're hearing when they go into a meeting in the oval o...