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>> nia, i think there's a part of this that bugs me a bit which is sort of the staging of it. if you want to make friends with somebody, you have to say let's meet for a drink after work or however it's done. i don't do this anymore. let's meet and have a hamburger somewhere. do you stage it with such pretense, such ruffles and flourishes? it reminds me of the henry gates beer time. it was so choreographed you wonder how they can speak without being ratted out. don't they want to talk off the record? it seems to me they would. >> that's true. and the white house is the sort of background, off ...

White house. taken them on a tour of the white house. >> they are so neutral territory. >> this is the way you look at things, the new journalists today. what in the world besides metaphor does neutral territory mean? it's a metaphor. what does it mean neutral? how is a hotel more neutral than meeting at the white house? >> i think there are a lot of neutral things going on here. number one, graham is the one who assembled this group. and the other being the white house extended the invitations. it's away from the white house. it's in d.c. obviously this is a really swanky hotel. >> i would in...

Flourishes? it reminds me of the henry gates beer time. it was so choreographed you wonder how they can speak without being ratted out. don't they want to talk off the record? it seems to me they would. >> that's true. and the white house is the sort of background, off the record conversations the president has been having with people behind the scenes. not necessarily of the press getting readouts of the meetings. this is much more formal and close to what he did in the first months of his presidency. this isn't something the president has been good at. let's just face it. he isn't good at it...

Around mitch mcconnell and john boehner who are committed and have said so to not making any deal involved in not raising revenue. but to no avail. and this time he'll skip them out of the whole thing and right into the rank and file for compromise. at least that's what it looks like. lindsey graham commented on putting the group together. let's listen to lindsey graham. >> how do you say no to the president of the united states who would like to have dinner with some of your colleagues? you don't. when the president asked that i get together a group, i willingly and i was honored to try to do...

Hearts and heads because he was helped by a group called acorn that doesn't exist. is that insanity? finally. shaq and john kerry are in agreement on. it comes in this snapshot. dennis rodman pretending to play diplomat in north korea. >> dennis rodman was a great basketball player. and as a diplomat, he was a great basketball player. that's where we'll leave it. >> i think we as people should understand our roles in life. i think people -- certain people should leave the diplomacy to diplomats. >> really? >> that's a very risky move what he did. >> i always liked shaq. there's always someth...