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Something material in an investigation or some criminal conduct underlying it. that's the problem with both of these statutes. we don't have any of the criminal conduct underlying it. you can see people scrounging around to find something. my favorite is he violated campaign finance laws for being willing to accept a donation. something of value, opposition research is not a donation. if it were, every single political campaign in this country has been violating the election laws since they were written because everybody receives opposition research from all sorts of sources. they're never rep...

Crack pots. that's why you always bring someone else along to see what kind of crazy stuff they might say. >> brian lanza, to counter that, though, i've seen quotes from donald trump, jr., talking about the difficulty of doing business in russia. and one of the problems is, you never know who you're meeting with and you never know their agenda. he's savvy enough, to jason's point, but he knew enough about russia to know that it's kind of a murky area and you don't know who you're meeting with. >> i don't think it's murky. he had a casual acquaintance, somebody said i want you to meet somebody ...

Someone else along to see what kind of crazy stuff they might say. >> brian lanza, to counter that, though, i've seen quotes from donald trump, jr., talking about the difficulty of doing business in russia. and one of the problems is, you never know who you're meeting with and you never know their agenda. he's savvy enough, to jason's point, but he knew enough about russia to know that it's kind of a murky area and you don't know who you're meeting with. >> i don't think it's murky. he had a casual acquaintance, somebody said i want you to meet somebody that has information you might want to h...

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