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Clear and sufficiently convincing of deeds so clearly impeachable and necessary to impeach, that once you have laid it out, that you believe that once you have laid all that evidence out, an appreciable fraction of the opposition vote base will say they had to do this? those are, i think -- >> that seems to make -- your third condition seems to make impeachment a political judgment and a political judgment -- >> it is a political judgment. >> a political judgment that would be surrendered to trump supporters. in other words, if trump supporters cannot support impeachment, then the democrats in...

Such decisions. but, again, initiating a formal impeachment inquiry is a very serious step. and i have articulated a three-part test for it. number one, do you believe that you have real solid evidence the president is committing impeachable offenses? number two, are those offenses of such gravity putting the country through an impeachment process? and number three, because you don't want to tear the country apart -- you don't want half the country the next 30 years, we won the election, you stole it from us. do you think that the evidence that you have is so sufficiently clear and sufficientl...

Whether or not matthew whitaker should be in that position or recuse himself. and whether bob mueller should be allowed to complete his work. i think our efforts in the short term ought to be on doing what we can to assure him he can go ahead and complete his work. >> let me ask you about the potential for articles of impeachment against the president come january when democrats take control of the house. this struck me, what the likely incoming chair of the house judiciary committee, jerry nadler of new york, what he said about that. listen. >> you don't want the country torn apart in a sense...

Articles of impeachment against the president. listen to this. >> you don't want the country torn apart in the sense that half the country says for the next 30 years, we won the election. you stole it. so one question before you do an impeachment is do you think that the evidence of such terrible deeds is so strong that a large portion of the opposition vote base, of the president's vote base, will be convinced by the end of the process. >> that struck me, margaret. do you think you have enough of the president's vote base onboard here? were the deeds so wrong that that deems removal from offi...