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Now. and the fact of the matter is this is why those two individuals and don mcgahn as well for the past six, seven months. their number one goal in addition to defending the president with regard to mueller is managing the president. it is why they have are petedly said no president it will be over at thanksgiving, christmas by the end of the year. and they want to keep him calm. and that is exhibit a. of why that happened. >> i want to hear more from the panel. we have to take a kwi quick break. much more ahead. the president ordered mueller to be fired last june. backed down after federal c...

Obstruction of justice. a sitting president can be indicted or a referral for article of impeachment. i think this would have been a camel-breaking straw for even those republicans who are pretty much lined up in his favor at the moment. >> i just want to play, now that we have this new report from the "new york times," the president's friend, chris ruddy, the ceo of news max talking last june to pbs, the same month the "new york times" now reporting the president ordered mueller to be fired. let's play this. >> suggested, i think i heard you suggesting that there's a question about the purpos...

Dowd and the people helping to run this now and the fact of the matter is this is why those two individuals and don as well for the past six, seven months since that period, their number one goal in addition to defending the president with regard to muelle are mana mueller are managing the president. it's why they said it's going to be over thanksgiving, christmas, by tend of year. they want to keep him calm. >> that is, this is exhibit a of why that happened. >> i want to hear more from our panel. we have to take a quick break. much more ahead on this face nating breaking news. the president ...

Reports on would not have cut it and rosen stesteen would have q. had the president not been sort of well-served by mcgann, he would be facing either respective indictment for obstruction of justice. a sitting president can be indicted or a referral for article of impeachment. i think this would have been a camel-breaking straw for even those republicans who are pretty much lined up in his favor at the moment. >> i just want to play, now that we have this new report from the "new york times," the president's friend, chris ruddy, the ceo of news max talking last june to pbs, the same month the ...