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I think people like congressman mcdermott -- >> that's one point for him to make when he's talking to his other republi or one-on-one with an interviewer or me. heas the victim sitting there, right in front of him. the one woman was in tears moments earlier and his respon^ sounded callous to some. democrats are frustrated because this is a serious situation that hasn't been handled well. from a communications perspective, it has not been handled well either. but it's a difficult situation. there seems to be some -- seems to have been some serious wrongdoing that took place on president obama'...

Watched yesterday in the i.r.s. targeting of conservative groups. we heard tea party telling their story of i.r.s. harassment and detailing longg delays and questioning they were subjected to. congressman mcdermot from washington state challenged their accounts and motives. >> none of your organizations were kept from organizing or silence. if you didn't come in and act for the tax break, you would not have had a question asked of you. i get a feeling of many of you and my republican colleagues believe you should be free from political targeting and scutiny at all. >> now, washington. we watch...

Question, and one we can debate reasonably. the way he went about it was arguably alienating because it sounded like he was blaming the victims. we put up the fullscreen of the witnesses -- the lady from iowa who was there, talking about how much they put her through. look at these women. they're just regular american women who were they fly into washington, d.c. to give their testimony before the house ways happened to them.ee about what and then you've got these lawmakers saying, well, i haven't heard you tell me how i'm supposed to solve it. >> and blaming the defense strategy, which is rid...

Fair-minded people on the left are saying, not that much. >> there are been people on the right who hav pushing to have greater scrutiny of the left-leaning 501c4s, too. we have a country you can get tax-exempt status for doing political work, left or right -- >> let me ask you this. i raised with him the testimony of the man who lost a $30,000 granted because he wasn't getti and he suggested that man may not be believable and people say things in front of congress all the time. what's that about? why go after the witness? i mean, he tripled down. >> again, blame the victim. also the man who r...

Question the committee and the chairman. why are we having these people, who told us their story, we got it out of the way. now let's get to the real question, how do you fix it? how do you fix this because it's going to continue to happen if you don't fix it. there was not anything said in the whole hearing up to the time i was there. in fact, i stayed till the very end and there was never anybody talking about how fix it. >> i understand that, sir, but you did not phrase it as a rhetorical question to the republicans. you said i haven't seen you think, you think we ought to be able to ask yo...