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That pete williams talked about, that this is about another branch's oversight, this is about an extraordinary event, the opinion details everything donald trump did that day. it goes on and talks about, shortly before noon on january 6th, trump took the stage at a rally of his supporters on the ellipse just south of the white house. during his more than hour-long speech, trump reiterated his claims that the election was rigged and stolen and urged then vice president mike pence, who would preside over the certification, to, quote, do the right thing by rejecting various states' electoral vote...

Chris miller, a position he was appointed to november 10th. prior to appointment you served as senior director for counter tichl at the national security council. there is substantial to believe that you have additional documents and information relevant to understanding the role played by the department of defense and the white house in preparing for and responding to the attack on the u.s. capitol as well as documents and information related to your personal involvement in planning for events on january 6th, and the peaceful transfer of power. i know you have some new reporting today, betsy,...

Game over. give me one, two, or three of those. >> well, look, if -- one thing we know about what donald trump has done is even as people, and nicole, you said it earlier in the show, even as people were calling in and begging for donald trump to come out and denounce the violence that was happening on the -- at the capitol, what if there were notes that talked about that where he said, but this is great. this is exactly what i had hoped for. i mean, i'm not saying he said that, but those are the kinds of smoking guns where already there's evidence, circumstantial, but the fact that he was ref...

Association would not, will not ever back down on making sure we're getting as much access as possssible. but you're right, that's an indication there may be some thorny discussions moving forward. it speaks to this issu though, this is someone whooes not have experience in washington rving inin government, and so there are going to be potentially some of these moments where the traditions that exist here may not be the obvious choices that are made. >> all right, kristen welker, thanks for your update. appreciate it. > joining me, morn s state university professor, jason johnson. mckay copp...