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The party has in going down that road is you cannot out-pander the democrats on tax credits. hillary clinton is always going to be able to outbid him. who is more electable then? >> kim calls it pandering. i call it moderation because i think most republicans want to win above all else. >> just think, a general point. on the republican side, you've got these young attractive articulate candidates competing with one another, saying interesting things. on the other side, you have one candidate, hillary clinton, who has got to keep her act afloat for the next 19 months. >> as we said in the last ...

The problem that rubio is going to have is that when that is placed next to, for instance, very simple flat tax proposals by some of the other candidates, it does potentially look a little bit complicated and old-fashioned and not bold enough. >> but kim doesn't it look more electable? when you've got ted cruz out there saying put it all on a postage card, that's your tax return, that is a radical proposal. >> behind this, the argument behind rubio's thing is that we need to make a pitch to middle class voters, they don't really care about income tax cuts on the top rates but they'll like it i...