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Voices out there, and it's a harder issue than it was in the past because people are expressing private thoughts. but a donald sterling actually has the power to affect people's lives because his housing discrimination case in which he was actually accused and had to pay money because he was discriminating against african-americans. i think the issue is racism is harder in some ways because people are communicating thoughts that are hard to -- you know, african-americans, asian-americans, latinos feel sometimes that they're not getting the jobs that they would have gotten otherwise, but people...

Do you see it that way? some of my reaction is it's such outlier behavior. i'm not saying i'm surprised there's racism in america but it immediately strikes people as, my gosh, that's so beyond the pale. >> well, i think it's an important point. he should get whatever due process is due an nba owner, but when you're on owner of an nba team and you're denounced by the president of the united states and lebron james, i don't know which of those is more important but it's a sign you're in big trouble. i don't think racism is harder than it was when we had laws in the south that would forbid peopl...