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Time. you know, look. a lot of things can go wrong between now and 2024 for president biden, but the idea that there's a meaningful number of voters who would otherwise really be open to vote for him are going to conclude he doesn't deserve a second term because he waited too long to shoot down a chinese balloon seems to me kind of a small number there. what it will do, of course, is think you were suggesting, is provide today's fodder for the kind of outrage machine that republicans will have going full-time, 24/7, between now and november 2024. >> yeah, yeah. even though we now know that the...

Between now and 2024 for president biden, but the idea there's a meaningful number of voters who would really otherwise be open to him that think he doesn't deserve a second term because he didn't shoot down a chinese balloon seems a small number there. what it will do is provide today's fodder for the kind of the outrage machine that republicans will have going full-time 24/7 between now and november 2024. >> yeah. yeah. even though we now know these balloons were out there under trump as well and were not shot down. does that blunt their argument? >> yes, clearly. like i said, there is a dem...

Problematic because of, well, the go go boots did not bring joy. -- but the fact that it happened, karen finney, what does that mean to you? that this is where we are? >> by the way, post pandemic, lots of women i know are not wearing heels anymore. they are wearing sneakers or tennis shoes. so, that is just real. that's in the culture. >> -- cover of vogue. >> -- absolutely. >> we are in converse also -- >> absolutely. but you've got to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to be going after candy for the average machine. that's really deep. purple happens to be my favorite color. so, i was ve...

Aren't wearing heels anymore, they're wearing sneakers or tennis shoes. that's just real. that's in the culture. >> vice president harris on the cover of vogue in her converse all-stars. >> absolutely. you have to really scrape the bottom of the barrel to be going after candy for the outrage machine. that's really deep. purple happens to be my favorite color. i was very happy with the news of purple. but it is. it's ridiculous, and in some ways it shows how ridiculous this right wing outrage machine actually can be. on the other hand, i agree with richard. as a branding person myself, it's bri...

Seeing as part of the culture war, you see on the left all the virtue signaling. and on the right, there is all this shaming going on, the attack. it's the outrage machine. and, you know, mars is very smart not to get involved in the political issue. there is no winning there. and for the right wing that's going after -- going after mars right now, the galena park doesn't have a platform. and so what they do is they keep feeding this outrage machine in the hope that people will get angry at companies. but it doesn't go anywhere. it's gas stoves now. it's burgers. it's nike, it's been apple, st...