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How this is being talked about. is this something -- rallying around financially and sort of a strategic decision? >> no. in fact, what's really interesting here is that you are seeing as part of the culture war -- you see on the left, the virtue signaling. and on the right there is all this shaming going on. the attack -- it's the outrage machine. and mars is very smart not to get involved in the political issue. there is no winning there. and for the right wing, that is going after mars right now, the gop does not have a platform. and so what they do is, they keep feeding this outrage machin...

Engaging in the basic business of governments. so to your larger point, this is not just about kevin mccarthy. this is about a party that has been just overwhelmed but the kinds of people who've been enabled -- people like donald trump who are much more concerned about getting clicks, being able to go on social media, get love from tucker carlson, and feed that perpetual outrage machine here. and as kevin mccarthy and whoever else might be speaker continues to make concession after concession, what they're doing is they're continuing to empower exactly the kinds of grifters and extremists and ...

And this has republican caucus will continue the way again. i think as you watch what's happening right now, and maybe i'm using an entertaining. it's also gonna be dangerous. what you're seeing in their inability to get even the most basic things don will play out on issue after issue, including raising the debt ceiling, engaging in the basic business of governments. so to your larger point, this is not just about kevin mccarthy. this is about a party that has been just overwhelmed but the kinds of people who've been enabled -- people like donald trump who are much more concerned about gettin...

That. >> the current president did say turn on the victrola at one point. to david's point, it is a good point right? and to your point about the outrage machine. we just got drubed because independents told us they feared trump and too trumpy candidates and as we looked to 2024 the senate has, one-third of the senate, 33 senators running. of the 33, 23 are democrats. so the democrats have a very unfavorable map in coming up here in 2024. i am very fearful if we don't try to turn the ship around in the water that we'll snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again. >> david axelrod, it is ...

Right now. >> david urban, it is like having, you know, a drunk relative who yells out obscenities or incredibly inappropriate things, and you don't know what to do about him, so people just ignore him. i mean, soon he'll be wandering around with an onion tied to his belt, talking about, you know, movies used to talk -- cost nickel. >> well, listen, -- >> no pressure there. i just wanted to say that. [laughter] >> the current president did say turn out the petroleum. we're not too far. but anderson, to david's point, what he raises, it's a good point. right? and your point about the outrage ma...