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On because i discussed it. my take is on colin kaepernick. he was an athlete. i don't know if he is serena williams level. she is also in this commercial. my biggest concern is the word sacrifice. what did he sacrifice? i am not a huge sports fanatic. he was not in the prime of his career during all of this. it's not like he gave up something big. now he is a face and has some new money coming in because of this controversy. what is your take? >> here's what bugs me about the story. i am so against talking about this story because that has been the tragedy behind this all along. it's not about...

Getting some facts. now, they're living in these sort of sealed echo chambers and what happens is they literally, it's alternative universes. they're talking about different things. they have different facts and i'll use air quotes because in some cases, they're not at all factual. and this is poisonous to the system. >> i used to draw solace from the fact, according to gahl lop, 40% of the country are independents and i think this is a healthy thing to break away from control of the parties but i'm not sure the 40% aren't playing into the same traps that we're here tonight to describe. >> i'm...