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Much looking into collusion. he believes rick gates could be an asset in that case. >> how is that camming to light now? >> reporter: part of the sources have been telling cnn. now also there is this case coming out, not in the manafort case, in the case of another lawyer that worked for manafort and gates pled guilty to lying to robert mueller. one of the things he lied about is rick gate's interactions with a russian intelligence offering. he is not named in the filing. they found out this was contan teen kalinik. he says rick gates was in contact and knew this guy was a russian intelligence...

Country, and as a new post yanukovych government, is trying to figure out what happened to all that money, what happened to their country's wealth when manafort's guy was in charge and stealing all the money. sure, a lot of it went to buy ostriches and toilets with gold feet. but a lot of it went to paul manafort, too. so ukraine has been trying to track that down. and this is the point in the story where the music changes and gets all menacing and dark. because "the new york times" has just broken a really important story on this subject today. andrew kramer in "the new york times" today repo...

On robert mueller and the russia investigation. i want to go to cnn sarah murray. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: i think he expected he would flip on paul manafort who is his long-time business partner and the campaign chairman of the trump campaign. one of the things my colleague has been learning from her sources is that when robert mueller's team the prosecutors on his team were talking to gates, they said, look, we don't really need you to help us win this case over paul manafort and to help us win over manafort's cooperation. what we want from you is cooperation and information t...

What do you think this tells us about the real target of mueller's investigation? >> i think he is back looking where he started with is collusion, i thought gates was a powerful potential witness, given the teal made for gates, it was a very good deal. and it had to be more than nailing his former partner manafort. so i think he's given them a lot of information and he has a lot of information and he's an invaluable witness and could change the whole dynamics of the case. >> mueller and his team didn't need rick goetz to flip on his box one of the contact with russians and potential collusion...

Close to the president. this is a guy that stuck around after manafort was fired. he also developed a close relationship with one of president trump's close friends, so after the campaign ended, he stuck around and he helped around the inauguration with one of trump's campaign, the other thing to remember even if rick gates wasn't in these meetings we talked so much about. that trump tower meeting paul manafort attended with a number of russians. he may have heard about it or found out if the russians were with anybody else in the building. they say he may not have been in the top strategy mee...