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Everyone. his understanding very clearly there needed to be a negotiated settle men. -- settlement. wasn't going to come from over running. he had to keep his people committed to that. one thing about nelson mandela that i think is important is that he had a sense of his own dignity. he knew that dignity was one of the ways he could keep people together. you have to respect it and you did it instinctively. he used that. i don't mean that in the negative sense, to say to people this is the way we have to go. >> i wanted to also ask you about ukraine, what is happening there now, play you a yout...