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Many secretaries of state to talk about that in this book. we talk at length about chris hill, the lead negotiator on those six-party talks at that point. when he attempted that, we had an entire north korea unit at the state department, experts who were steeped in this, and it's an over-simplification to say that was a complete failure. while in the end we didn't get what we wanted there were huge inroads made. they shut down some of their plants for the very first time. i think the disappointment for the experts is each time we may inroads, a new administration stepped away. right now we're ...

Not a hillbilly. the sole reason is to provide the elite to feel superior. >> i think it's an over simplification. our side of the aisle there are a lot of white middle class class people who voted for trump. just as there are white working class. the poorest people voted for clinton. so i was talking about one segment of the trump electorate, not all of it. there are a group that are just as loyal to him and maybe they can be reached. i hope. but who knows. >> and do you see any signs that the democratic national committee has fundamentally changed any of their thinking other than just trying...

And she's got a strong negotiating position. she's told the european no deal is better than a bad deal. if they won'tç play ball with her, she's -- then she is prepared to essentially turn britain into a tax haven to be competitive with europe. if she's got÷ú some commitments from president trump that she can expect a good and strong and profitable trade deal with the united states, but herv: negotiator go into the rooms to meet with those 27 eu nations to hammer out the terms of the agreement, the terms of the exit, then,ym perhaps, they go a stronger position knowing that they have somet...

Because he's dumping all over the very idea of moderation now. so it means conservative right wing gun toting anti-government. and evangelical. >> couple quick things. everybody in the society enjoys the fruits of social security and medicare eventually. so they all believe in government to that extent. but this is cultural. i would divide it between church going rural -- this is an over-simplification. church going rural and -- that then involves the bible belt, the nra, the belief in the privacy of faith over government even if you are taking your social security and your medicare versus the...

So who are they talking about, howard? it doesn't include progressives, certainly. it doesn't include moderates because he's dumping all over the very idea of moderation now. so it means conservative right wing gun toting anti-government. and evangelical. >> couple quick things. everybody in the society enjoys the fruits of social security and medicare eventually. so they all believe in government to that extent. but this is cultural. i would divide it between church going rural -- this is an over-simplification. church going rural and -- that then involves the bible belt, the nra, the belief ...