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They were telling the government our goal is to ensure our government doesn't have these secrets, pushing information out. we looked at this and stared at this and realized this was a threat to national security. i was part of the task force that went through and tried to determine was there a damage assessment we needed to do and what was the impact. that said, we also learned the u.s. government overclassifies information. so at that point good people can debate the spirit of what wikileaks was doing. that notion now is destroyed because you couple this great reporting today with the mueller...

Host of the beat. former assistant u.s. attorney and ron a former assistant director at the fbi. ron, let me just ask you this, there are two kinds of leaks, right, the kind that are national security dangerous things that tell you where spies are and who they are and stuff like that. then there are the leaks that tell us that president trump was dishonest about the conversation that he had with the mexican president. the kind that say he was dishonest about the conversation with the australian prime minster. the kind that say he gave israeli intelligence to the russians in a private meeting. ...

Critical of those leaks. >> the president here, it's much more intrigue type of things. yesterday, lets be honest, the information leaked about the phone call with medidn't tell u anything. just trump being trump. it really did launch mistrust about the media. distracted or changed the conversation, which the white house wants it to do. change the conversation to a new investigation and away from president trump around the russian hacking. >> that's true. there's truth to that. in fairness, trump has been on this anti-leak campaign for a while now. i do think there's something to be said for l...

Condensing and to consolidate the number of people with access to classified information. just any time you're looking at administration with giving fewer and fewer and fewer people access with the information. i think you have a consolidation of power that's trouble sglg . >> to that point, it's widely believed in the intelligence community and the legal community that the united states overclassifies information. all sorts soft stuff. you know ali well. wrote a book that contained material that he testified about publicly in congress and the cia redacted it from his accomplished book. in oth...

Overclassify overclassify. it's trying to find the right balance. trying to strike the balance between what the public ought to know, managing more closely that very sensitive information. that is trafficked in government. that is held by government. managing that information that needs to be really closely guarded. and the number of people who have access to it. and the machinery by which they get access to it. and can share it and view it. so that internal infrastructures can manage and defend against the real threat of very sensitive information leaking out. and striking the right balance w...