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So there is a place for that kind of overkill threat. my problem with what president trump said is that he said they would have to face fire and fury if they continue their threats. the problem is that north koreans have been threatening us insulting us, all kinds of blood curdling stuff every day and twice on sunday for about 50 years. it's not the threats that we would be retaliating for, it is any action. any move to threaten our allies, ourselves, our territories. i think needed to make that clear. but the fire and the fury, that was a perfectly reasonable recreation of massive retaliation...

But it was that threat that kept the peace for 50 years and is the reason we had no major war between the great powers for 70 years, longer than any time in modern history, so there's a place for that kind of overkill threat. >> perhaps a new era beginning with north korea. >> people who don't have a lot of care for the way the world should work. >> wildly, no care. >> you have to get the job done and the message was clear. when you have someone like james madison you send a missile this way you are done. >> and believe that if you cross that redline we are serious. it might actually happen. >...

The launching would be an act of war. and i assume we have plans for a complete obliteration of the north korean regime. now, people got all upset when trump used the words fire and fury overkill and all this other stuff. they forget the fact that john kennedy, president eisenhower, and most of the cold war presidents had a policy called massive retaliation, which meant if the soviets attacked us, we were not going to be secret and proportionate in our response. a massive retaliation was understood as code for we're going to obliterate russian cities. now, that wasn't a pleasant prospect. but ...

Kind of overkill threat. my problem with what president trump said is that he said they would have to face fire and fury if they continue their threats. the problem is that north koreans have been threatening us insulting us, all kinds of blood curdling stuff every day and twice on sunday for about 50 years. it's not the threats that we would be retaliating for, it is any action. any move to threaten our allies, ourselves, our territories. i think needed to make that clear. but the fire and the fury, that was a perfectly reasonable recreation of massive retaliation. >> tucker: have you ever se...