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Chris: we should point out he was on the national security council staff for barack obama. >> look, this is all about the president being able to hire who he wants and have them in the position that he wants -- chris: all right, wait, guys. let me bring in gillian -- >> i haven't been able to confirm it. as far as the reporting i've looked at, nobody else has been able to confirm this. the key question is whether jared kushner actually ever took a polygraph and whether he passed or failed. as somebody who had a top secret security clearance for five years, an important part of the process for ...

That would go a -- otto warmbier. that would go a long way to improving relations. chris: this is not the first time the president has taken the word of an autocrat over outside evidence -- >> when he says i'm going to take him at his word, it doesn't mean that he accepts it as reality. he accepts that's what kim jong un said. chris: so when he says i take him at his word, it doesn't mean he believes kim jong un? >> that's what he said. i think one way to prove that is to give the united states a full accounting. chris: this is not the first time the president has sided with an autocrat over o...

On to power. there was this big faceoff last week about humanitarian aid coming in or not. they were able to block it, generally speak, with some defections. the generals and the military are standing by him. one, what do you do next to try to force him out and, two, if the opposition leader, juan guaido, returns to venezuela in the next day or so and is arrested, what will the u.s. response be? >> look, the opposition is very united. think tour row made a big -- maduro made a big mistake by trying to block the aid. it was bands of motorcycle gangs organized and trained and financed by cuba. t...

Ivanka trump. >> exactly. for those of us who have gone through the tedious for process of filling out these clearance forms, there's a reason they're adjudicated the way they are, and we need a clear answer why jared is so needed to have this clearance that they overrode the cia's concerns about jared and his foreign contacts. chris: what about the argument, hey, i'm the president, i got elected, i trust him? >> he has the authority to do it, chris, you're right. he got elected, he can do it. it doesn't mean he should do it, and it certainly doesn't mean that congress should not can tough que...

Give. under those circumstances, did it make sense to even hold this summit? >> well, you never know what the north koreans are actually going to come with or if they're going to adhere to it, and a big part of the problem here in all these discussions where the experts are saying, well, the north koreans will give up part of their program, and the u.s. will release some of the economic sanctions that has bedeviled prior administrations is the problem of incommence rabbit. and what north korea has done consistently in the past is promised to denuclearize and then, by the way, not do it to get ...