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most similar countries when you think about it, which is why i think for black americans in this country, we have this living memory of apartheid. i came of age in the owe 08s and '90s and i remember conversations in my house with friends and especially in college we had just missed the divestment movement on college campuses. >> explain what that means. there was movements for colleges with endowments invested in certain companies to divest any companies doing business in south africa. and this went on for years. >> this was the student movement of the 1980s. college students successfully -- they won. they successfully got their colleges to divest their investments in any companies that were doing business with south africa. so we have the student divestment on the one hand but let's also give props to the congressional black caucus.