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A jury you can't count on that. and it's not what's going to happen in a court of law where facts actually matter. and with all of donald trump's hyperbole, he still has no given a single fact as to ho it is that he supposedly won the election so it's really not a great position that he's putting his defense counsel in but that's his choice and th defense counselor making their choice and very soon we will see ho they do in manhattan and i think also another jurisdictions. >> neal, on the january si point for donald trump, is h wants to blame mike pence for, i guess, how it started, one o the ...

Son has a fatal defect and he's going to die. so this was during my time with where i'm sort of growing in my faith in having this experience and i talk about finding the lord, taking on this great what i thought was an important mora cause for the country in then boom, you know, i remember having this conversation with god and saying here i am trying to follow your path, and you take my son? so it was devastating. we did everything we could to try to save his life we had him at the children's hospital in philadelphia had intrauterine surgery to try to fix the problem. our little boy lived for...