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He has some problems and what he's going to have problems with is when he's on the debate stage with cory booker attacking him and kamala harris talking about the crime bill and someone else talking about anita hill, that is where joe biden's problems start, not being compared to jeb bush. they are the real fights on the debate stage against democrats. >> and this is on pete buttigieg and he's making news because he hired the ad team who did the messaging for then senator barack obama back in '07, '08 so we're still not hearing much from mayor pete but when it comes to substance and this is a ...

Were not there in those positions at the beginning of this administration. >> right. >> so -- >> yeah, that's true. but he certainly headed in the direction -- >> did he bring them in to give the appearance that he's being advised by people that are anti russia? they were not the ones that were there with him when he started in january '17. >> well, you know, pompeo was with the cia, but you also had people like general mattis of the defense department who were also deeply skeptical. i think the bigger issue are the hangers-on. you've got to remember, reverend al, a lot of republicans don't li...

Thinking before the civil war, a war of dread scott versus -- dread scott versus sanford, the idea that if you're born a slave and your children are born slaves then their children have to be slaves. the whole idea behind that text i read to you is to say, we fought a war about that, we don't punish children because of whatever their parents did or anything like that. joe, you raised a really good point about the lawyering in this administration. i mean, in any administration in our lifetimes the lawyers would have stood up and said, what in the world are you talking about? you can't possibly ...

We need pathway to citizenship. >> that was a perfect bill. lindsey graham was for it. a dozen senators and that -- >> john mccain. >> boehner would not bring it to a vote because of the tea party. congratulations. thank you congressman, keith ellison. michael steel, former chair, you're smiling. by the team, what do you think of that d. team? >> that's a good team. everybody doing high-fives and dancing. then the running starts. >> i didn't know they were dancing. >> we danced when i was chair.

Campaign is set up is that in addition to the salaries listed in the filing to the federal election commission, the admakers and the ad team take a certain percentage of the ad buy which is just lumped together in the fec reports with the actual tv costs. >> explain what that means. >> well, bob shrum can probably do numbers better than i can, but basically it's a leftover from the early days of commercial television advertising, and as much as 15% of the ad buys, mostly negotiated down from that, can be called -- can basically go to the ad team as a fee. >> right. so people who are listening ...