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To overturn the election results. again, we don't know if those state legislators are yet among the 400 that the committee has talked to, so what is revealed sometimes in these subpoenas is part of what they have pieced together, and i wonder your thoughts before anyone falls over the cliff of, well, rudy won't talk, it feels like from these subpoenas already, they have a whole lot of information around this effort of trying to manipulate state legislators to send in alternate electors. >> yeah, i think it has been said elsewhere. this is largely going to be a paper case. the evidence is going...

Soon. we are out of preseason and we want to know how to prevent that from happening. i think that the argument -- if you are prosecuting a case -- dan knows 100 times more about this than i do. you can build a paper case. sometimes it matters more there are some cases that are paper cases. they want to produce all of the paper they can. it has been a big 24 hours for that if the courts continue to rule the way they are ruling on the question of executive privilege. but on the question of making people understand i think it is a false binary. i don't think it's about tiling. i don't mind they ...

You don't call a special-grand jury, and begin proceedings there because you still have questions about whether or not a crime was committed. the answer to that, i think, folks in new york are very clear on. the issue that remains is who? and whether they'll be able to go all the way to the top of the food chain and indict the former president. perhaps, they already know the answer to that. perhaps, right now, they're stuck at the cfo level with allen weisselberg, who it doesn't seem, yet, has made a decision to flip and cooperate with prosecutors. they could be focused on the president's chil...

Jury and begin proceedings there because you still have questions about whether or not a crime was committed. the answer to that i think folks in new york are very clear on. the issue that remains is who. and whether they'll be able to go all the way to the top of the food chain and indictment the former president, perhaps they already know the answer to that, perhaps right now they're stuck at the cfo level with allen weisselberg who it doesn't seem yet has made a decision to flip and cooperate with prosecutors. they could be focussed on the president's children and other key officials in the...

Boardroom existed for "the apprentice," scenery at nbc where it's in cold storage. that said, alan weisselberg was everything to that organization. how do you think he's feeling in this about now? >> well, i'm sure this news is not welcome to him. he's somebody who is very much in the cross hairs. as chief financial officer for the trump organization, he is in position to know an awful lot about the finances. what we've heard from mikele michael cohen, inflate some purposes and deflate for tax returns. it's a paper case. can look at documents and see they can't both be true. documents don't li...