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They did not switch things like memos that are produced for the vice president or the president on any number of national security topics. there are still intelligence products, reports that come in printed form. the question is, how much do you migrate that kind of paper flow, including classified systems that print documents? we have classified printers as well as classified computers in the executive branch. i think the question that people are going to look at is, obviously with digitalized materials, again, you can know where that stuff is through a digital signature. i would expect that ...

Secretary is to manage paper flow on and off the president's desk. >> not to hide stuff from the president so he can't act on it. that's not paper flow. >> that's your characterization. that's bob woodward's characterization. what may have happened -- >> that's gary cohn's characterization according to the book. >> do you know if that memo was properly vetted and signed off by gary to put it on the president's desk at that time? i don't know the facts behind it but i do know those gentlemen's job was to control paper flow on and off -- >> that's not how it was described in the book. >> of cour...

General mattis, two men who i know and i hold in extremely high esteem. >> both deny the allegations. >> who both came out and said this is patently false. >> right. >> so there -- rob porter, right? the staff secretary. gary cohn said i took a piece of paper off the president's desk with rob porter. rob porter's job as staff secretary is to manage paper flow on and off the president's desk. >> not to hide stuff from the president so he can't act on it. that's not paper flow. >> that's your characterization. that's bob woodward's characterization. what may have happened -- >> that's gary cohn'...

He said he would stick around until 2010. that was kind of surprising. is he back in charge of the flow of paper to the president? is he the guy that got this beatty, the speech writer out pretty darn quickly after the news broke? how is it working? >> he's still in charge of the paper flow, but when it comes to the political capital of this white house, who makes the decisions, it's the president himself. it's not general kelly. this is what people inside of the white house tell me. the president actually wants somewhat of a weak chief of staff, he wanted someone to come in and make sure the ...

About the president's intellectual shortcomings and inability to understand the capacity of national security issues, the complexity. and this sort of seems like the natural evolution of an untenable relationship. >> it's been untenable for a while. but sam, sam -- general kelly has been able to manage paper flow and the information getting to the president. the people flooding in. early on, it was what you heard in bill clinton's administration where everybody piled in and talked to the commander-in-chief until leon panetta and others came in and brought discipline. and he's stirred a lot of ...