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More of them. to me, this was a supremely confident president trump walking onto marine one. he was going to answer whatever you asked him. he felt 100% sure that what he said wasn't going to be controversi controversial. at least if it was, he was proud to say it. he talked about james comey in harsh words. what stuck out to you? >> overall i share your impression there. this is somebody who is very happy with the way he's positioned himself as he hits the world stage, both at the g-7 and in singapore. he seems pleased with where he's at. there were a few things there. one thing that stuck ou...

That we have that the president is increasingly turning to this power of the pardon. john? >> jeremy, appreciate it. if you get the paperwork, let us know. let's bring it back in the room. we talked about this case is different. alice marie johnson, drug charges, not a political figure. interesting, you talked about the resistance from john kelly and how it seemed tone deaf politically. i don't know if compromise is the right word, but is this a compromise on the president's pard that it's commutation but not a pardon? it's a get out of jail card but not wipe it away. >> it looks this way, but...

I want to talk about the pardon issue, because that has taken everybody's attention now. since yesterday when rudy giuliani, he gives an appearance. he does manage to monopolize the narrative. chris christie heard what rudy said about, yes, the president can pardon, but he's not going to do that. the absoluterity, th is what happened on abc. let's watch. >> we will have to open up the possibility of the president pardoning himself even though he does not expect to do it, he does have the right to do it. >> there's no way that will happen. it then becomes a political problem, george. if the pre...

I want to talk about the pardon issue, because that has taken everybody's attention now. since yesterday when rudy giuliani, he gives an appearance. he does manage to monopolize the narrative. chris christie heard what rudy said about, yes, the president can pardon, but he's not going to do that. the absolute authority, this is what happened on abc. let's watch. >> we will have to open up the possibility of the president pardoning himself even though he does not expect to do it, he does have the right to do it. >> there's no way that will happen. it then becomes a political problem, george. if...

Mueller investigation. there is no way -- as a matter of fact, this precedent, by the way john, was set in about 1792 when george washington established the end the public interest consideration and the duties of the president. there's long precedent on the activities of the president. you can't do something that is not in the public interest as president of the united states. i think that gets to the pardon issue. it gets to certain executive issues and it gets to this notion that you cannot be charged for murder. >> leave murder aside because that's absurd. rudy giuliani -- well the lawyers ...