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Not, we don't know, could, should, all those things. >> the pardon question is relevant. the president has in previous questions pardoned his political allies who he said were treated unfairly. >> he did wait until the trials were over. >> he did do that. in the case of joe arpaio, that came out of nowhere. he pardoned him. manafort, arguing he's been treated unfairly. there is a pattern and that's why it's fair game to ask if that's what he's considering. >> oh, i think he's absolutely considering it. one of the messages from this interview is to manafort's legal team, which is to say that, y...

Mueller on the manafort case? or the president who sounds like he thinks he did on this. >> well, mueller won resoundingly yesterday. there's no question. the sentence will be the same regardless of how many counts of conviction there were, as long as they got some of those more serious counts, the bank fraud counts, which they did. so there a he no question this was a huge victory for the mueller team here and a huge loss for manafort. trump can try to play the numbers any way that he wants and, yes, there were ten counts that hung. they could retry them. i don't think that they will, in larg...

>> do you think he actually took legal advice there and that's why he didn't say anything about michael cohen, realizing michael avenatti's on speed dial with any court in the country that will take his case? >> i'm trying to watch this -- watch that through the eyes of paul manafort, who i've known since the early '80s. >> he's sad for him. >> he's sad for him. he left the door open there. >> i thought ajar. i didn't see a pardon. >> and he said it's sad, it has to end this way. the word "end" is not something paul manafort wants to hear in this context. >> he might get a commutation. i don't...

Does the president have the power to pardon himself? >> i don't have any comment on that issue. >> mr. speaker, do you believe the president has the power to pardon himself? >> i don't know the technical answer to that question, but i think obviously the answer is he shouldn't and nobody is above the law. >> it's hard to believe at one point last week presidential pardons were dominating the conversation, and that was senate majority leader mcconnells and speaker ryan answering the questions in different ways. let's start on the pardon question, it has kind of fallen back in the wake of the ...

A pardon is waiting for him, that is evidence of obstruction. a pardon is not meant to be a political strategy to get you out of trouble -- >> or a legal strategy to prevent you from cooperating. >> like everything else with this, they sent mixed signals. there was the national inquirer piece hit job, wink, nod of course the president approved this. so now they're basically trying to tell him, hang out, don't fold on us and we'll take care of it later. >> isn't that how people do this? you read this in novels. you do the threat, you do the promise, right? and you tell them this is your life if...