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Flexing its muscles and sending a message to the president saying, hey, this could be the opening act, and trump worries that a real member of his inner circle could be next. and certainly, though there has been some reporting that manafort's lawyers expressed some ideas of negotiations with lawyers in the second trial, but yes, manafort fought this. he didn't flip. unlike, say, rick gates who turned against him. and the president has talked to people about potentially pardoning him. we have rudy giuliani tell us in recent days, sort of downplays that, confirmed the discussions were had but su...

It. but even acknowledging that, he's giving us a window to the idea that there have been discussions. >> it's not outlandish when there are suggestions the president has talked about this. however, don mcgahn showed resistance to pardoning manafort. i don't know what the rules are, what don mcgahn would have had to do about this, because he has said the president does what he wants to do. i wonder how that plays into the whole matter. >> we heard as well mcgahn was suggesting that was a bad idea, and he is one of the few white house figures, senior aides, who has shown some willingness to sta...

And certainly, though there has been some reporting that manafort's lawyers expressed some ideas of negotiations with lawyers in the second trial, but yes, manafort fought this. he didn't flip. unlike, say, rick gates who turned against him. and the president has talked to people about potentially pardoning him. we have rudy giuliani tell us in recent days, sort of downplays that, confirmed the discussions were had but suggested it was floating out there and the president agreed we should do it. but even acknowledging that, he's giving us a window to the idea that there have been discussions. ...

Lawyers are doing what lawyers are doing trying to preserve any kind of appeal process down the line should paul manafort get convicted. but quite simply, i think, none of this perhaps might matter because in the end, there is some indication or no one believes the president hasn't ruled out pardoning manafort when all this is over. we'll have to have the judge rule in this case. and the trial is set to begin on september 24th. >> we will talk to you all about it then. thank you. straight ahead here, cnn has new details about why the president's former attorney, michael cohen, chose to cut a...

President's tweets. he's been mad at sessions for a long time. what do you make of him actually discussing firing him with people in the white house? >> i agree with you it's not exactly news. he's been trying to bully this guy to resign for a long time. i think it's a sign of frantic behavior. look at the position he's in. manafort is convicted and is about to be convicted again. cohen has flipped. immunity has been given. his white house counsel has given 30 hours of testimony to mueller. i think he feels the walls closing in and is in just a panic and does not know what to do. if he does go...