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Pardon. so jeremy, before you, kendall, you want to continue your thought on the whole notion of the pardoning powers exercised by the president in serious ways? >> yeah. he's putting his pardoning power in the news. there are a lot of potential cooperating witnesses out there that might be reading that news very, very closely. >> jeremy? >> you know, it's interesting. this is such a far-removed way of pardoning. the pardons the president has done so far, the justice department hasn't been involved. obviously in this case the president said he got a call and tweeted about it. well, we'll see n...

Home and your office. that was a pretty significant blow to michael cohen who had hoped that he would get this federal judge who's over seeing the civil case to delay that matter. stormy daniels's lawyer is saying judge, no delay is needed. give us the right to go in and take michael cohen's deposition and get his testimony under oath. if the judge sides with stormy daniels' attorneys, we could see michael cohen being subjected to deposition even though this raid is pending in the southern district. >> and then back to the whole issue of the pardoning. kendall, you brought up the scooter libby...

Monitoring bracelets. the president's pardoning power is not so cut and dry. take a look his heavyweights on mess the press. >> all throughout history we see presidents offering pardons. once you start getting into the area of inquiring as to what the motive of a pardon was you get into constitutionally difficult areas. >> i have to disagree with the professor. if the president uses a pardon power for corrupt purpose then she's exposed to criminal liability for that. if his lawyer with his authority offered a pardon as a means of tainting or corrupting testimony in a criminal proceeding, i don...

When he's pardoning. so i think that i would simply add to what joyce mentioned about the limits of the president's pardon power. >> yeah, you're saying something really important and potentially bad for a white house, any white house that would misuse the pardoning power, the fact that it's execution is unlimited doesn't mean there are consequences. the power to appoint a senator by a sitting governor, is fairly standard and unlimited in our constitution and state rules and yet when governor blagojevich tried to auction off that appointment, he wound up in prison. it doesn't mean they can't a...

His legal team said there's no such plan in the works. do you think the president could resist using the pardoning power for whoever gets tangled up in this? >> who knows? i've long since given up trying to predict what this president will or won't do. he obviously pardoned joe arpaio. i have no idea what he had in his mind. one thing i do know is that it looks like michael flynn is cooperating with robert mueller, and the president just injected sort of a get out -- a potential get out of jail free card to michael flynn. stop talking, because whatever it is that mueller does to you, whatever ...