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New this morning, president trump just confirmed he has a batch of new pardons in the works. he dropped one very big name. >> he was not very popular then. his memory is popular now. i'm thinking about muhammad ali. i'm thinking about that very seriously. and some others. and some folks that have sentences that aren't fair. but i am thinking about muhammad ali. >> joining me now are two big names in our world, cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin and david challian. jeffrey toobin, here's the thing, the supreme court overturned his conviction, so is a pardon even needed? >> i don't think so....

I'm thinking about that seriously. and some others and some folks whose have sentences that aren't fair. i am thinking about muhamed ali. in fact, we're doing right now recommendations on, you know, muhamed ali. [ inaudible question ] >> no. no. i'm not above the law. i never want anybody to be above the law. but the pardons are a very positive thing for a president. i think you see the way i'm using them. yes, i do have an absolute right to pardon myself. but i'll never have to do it because i didn't do anything wrong. and everybody knows it. there's been no collusion. there's been no obstruc...

Others doing the investigating. so bad for our country. very expensive witch hunt hoax. le departnt of justice never endingitch hunt. totally unconstitutional. what's the impact of those kinds of statements on the american public when they hear the president of the united states smearing this investigation the way he does? >> i don't think the understand how profound this is. among all the reprehensible things i have seen t president do, undercutting the faith in american government is simple. i spent most of my time traveling around in the third world. e of the first things people will say to...

>> bob mueller himself is not a partisan. he's an onnest and hard working guy and he's smart and you can't argue the investigation is not effective so far. a number of guilty pleas and a couple -- of indictments in a year and that's pretty good work. >> is he wrong? >> i don't agree with that assessment. when you look at the indictments against the russian entities, this is information in response to your first question that it is widely none around the world there is an effort for russia interfering in democracy and this is not ground breaking endeavor and the team that robert mueller has ass...

They was just arguing. they didn't go to lock. i don't understand it. >> their situation is a little different. >> how is that though? that's what i'm -- >> listen. i don't have to explain that to you. but it's not fair! >> there are a lot of things in this world that aren't fair. okay? fill out your grievance paperwork. get it to the staff by the end of the day. i'll make sure it winds up on captain davies' desk. all right? >> okay. >> i think she'll settle down. she'll get everything she is supposed to have. she has rights to legal phone calls. those will be given to her. she can submit a gr...