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Electric vehicles. biden's american jobs plan would invest $174 billion in the electric vehicle market. that you have indicated is a red line for you. there needs to be more investment in evs. if there was a bill put forth that had everything else that the white house and you wanted, but with significantly less money, less investment in electric vehicles, would you vote against it? >> i would. this is the opportunity. there is not going to be a better opportunity. that's where we've got to go. each of our -- the car manufacturers, general motors is saying it will have 100% product line, electr...

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Enormously depressing this is that we witness the death of fact, the death of truth. in particular, will littlie, yo talking about ukraine a couple minutes ago. and ukraine and joe biden, it's a lie. it began with a lie months ago. and evilly clever people linked the lie to one candidate, to one race, the race for the presidency, and now that lie, if you pick up any up in each and every day, the lie is covered as if it's perhaps true. >> right. >> it's just -- it's depressing. >> and the lie -- if you say it one, two, three, four, five, ten times then it's true. when what the opposite of what ...

Sherman, an msnbc contributor, and former justice department spokesman now an msnbc justice and security analysts matt himmer. joe a miller. joe and mika have the morning off. what is he doing in propagating the lie that ukraine meddled in the election, even after he tried to clean it up, he came back to it at the end of that interview? >> well, i don't know is the short answer. i have no idea. but i would say, listen there are say long-runnithis is a lon theory. republicans especially in the house where they tend to be a little bit more imaginative, let's say, on the house intelligence comm...