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Want, and they can split however they want. in terms of what is realistically possible, what is the range of outcomes that union colleagues are prepared? for >> of course we are preparing for all outcomes. we understand the court that we are up in front of, really we are gonna may making the case that there is only one legitimate outcome here. under the rule of law. the court operates on the following decisions that have made, for their own president. and the supreme court hearings in the end we'll versus wade's president off top of precedent. what that means is, it's not just that they decide...

>> yeah. so when it comes to the changes, i mean, the law, the texas law's facing a few legal challenges on different fronts. it's the vigilante justice element of this law that made it all the more horrific and dangerous for many opponents. and it's that aspect that may actually be part of its undoing. so bring us up to speed. >> so there was just a hearing late last week in a texas district court, and the department of justice has actually sued texas and they're trying to say to a court stop this law, do not let it continue to go into effect. and the arguments were really interesting because...

Cathartic and bonding event. can they channel that into pushing for changes in legislation? changes in the legal system. that's always the question when you see these big marches. >> yeah. when it comes to changes, the texas law is facing a few challenges from different fronts. and it's the vigilante part of the law that might be part of its undoing. so bring us up to speed. >> so there was just a hearing late last week in a texas district court and the department of justice has sued justice and are trying to say to a court, stop this law. do not let it continue to go into effect. and the argu...

So if not this, what? what are you hearing in legal circles? is there a sense for what could be the strongest challenge to row and how close is it? >> well, it's interesting. in some ways the strongest challenge to roe v. wade has already been happening over the past ten years where you've had states pass what is allowed under roe v. wade and the subsequent planned parenthood versus casey. in other words, where they place burdens on the access to abortion. you don't overturn it directly, but you make abortion so inaccessible, but it's upheld by the supreme court and the lower courts. now we ha...

>> talk about the degree to which you can rely upon a nominee by these conservative organizations. we certainly spent a lot of time talking about how kennedy didn't deliver the way he was expected to on certain things. justice kennedy is not the liberal everybody seems to paint him as. >> sure. >> there were things he didn't side with the conservative majority. does that happen a lot? >> it doesn't. i think an even better example is david suitor who is george h.w. bush's appointee. he sided with the liberals and planned parenthood versus casey, which is the sort of ruling precedent on abortion...