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Broadcast, about lapsed catholics, you must already know, from the parish level, what the pope francis effect has been, as he raises his own likeness in a doll and makes the sign of the cross over someone's head. >> i think he's intentionally interested in the great work of evangelization, read hisler, joy of the gospel. he's come here as an evangelist. evangelists reach out to different audiences, reach out to committed catholics, lapsed catholics, secularists and use different tools and methods with the group. i think he's a genius at that. he knows how to use the provocative gesture, caught...

Unscripted moment. >> it felt like a little kiss from heaven. all the people that were in st. peter's square, my son, you know, who is a person that many people just look over, was kissed. >> now, the pope has also displayed his signature um close and personal approach, snapping selfies with tourists, sharing the stage with a scene-stealing little boy, and washing the feet of dieetainees in a youth priso. here with me now to reflect on this papacy, father john vanbrook from new jersey. thanks for being here. >> merry christmas, richard. >> to you as well. what's been the most powerful you thin...

Bringing women into theological circles as consulters, as members of the congregations in rome that make decisions for the worldwide church, and i think he would like to see women involved at a greater level even in the national conferences throughout the world. women are highly involved at the parish level. any ordinary parish like my own, most of the people you find in leadership at the parish are women, but they stop at that level. they haven't moved beyond that. >> there's an opinion piece in "usa today" that says, "the most influential religious leader on the planet has created a template...

The government shutdown, nsa leaker snoeld snoed a eer edwar california's proposition 8. what were those questions like? >> the government shutdown, it's been around 20 years since he've seen a precedent for that. i think people were confused. people didn't know what that meant, wondering how that affected them. the other thing that we really saw emerge is a concern about user privacy so the question is, you know, is the nsa spying on me, you know, where is edward snowden, what was, you know, the sentence for bradley manning. people are more aware than ever of their own personal privacy and wh...

Massive data collection techniques because no one else had done so, so he says. in an exclusive in-person interview with "the washington post," snowden said, dianne feinstein elected me when she asked softball questions in committee hearings. mike rogers elected me when he kept these programs hidden. the system failed comprehensively. and each level of oversight, each level of responsibility that could have addressed this abdicated their responsibility." let's bring in our panel. irene carmon is national reporter with msnbc.com. andy sullivan is a reuters correspondent. what do you think about...