You've error theed you've reported on donald trump. so the myth of how he made his money, he build these myth but it isn't true. with epstein, the thing that i've been reading a ton about is no one who is in the financial services game knew who he was. normally, you would be familiar with the people who are trading and making a lot of money doing it. nobody was familiar with him. he seems to be this unknown entity who somehow, with one client that people know about, got really rich. does that seem suspicious to you? >> of course it's suspicious. and i suspect at the end of the day the way jeff...