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Conviction, appellet reversal, rates on release of parole determined by race. race of the victim often determines the extent of sentence. for years we didn't have the death penalty for killing a black person, only for killing a white person. so, race permeates the system. now it's getting better because we're conscious of this. it's far better than it was 20 or 30 years ago. but it's not anywhere near where it should be. >> i want to play you a clip. this is from juror b-37 who talked of course at length to anderson cooper. this is particularly about the struggle the jury had over what they we...

>> correct in trial you bring the same self-defense claim, different wording but you bring basically the same claim. >> a disturbing case. thank you for joining me. alan, i mean, on the face of it, this is a total fast isn't it? >> there is tremendous differences in rates, of conviction, appeal let reversal, rates on release of parole determined by race. race of the victim often determines the extent of sentence. for years we didn't have the death penalty for killing a black person, only for killing a white person. so race permeates the system. now it's getting better because we're conscious o...

>> do you think she's stupid, larry? >> i think you're stupid for saying that kind of thing -- >> that wasn't my question. do you think rachel jeantel -- do you think she's stupid? >> race is not a major problem in america. the number one problem facing black people are the large number of black people born outside of wedlock. 75%. in 1960, 5% of all people were born outside in wedlock. fast forward, look at that for 45%. crime, dropouts, that's connected. the other big problem for black peel is the economy. one in two black men doesn't have a job and one of the heads of the commercial black c...

But we forget at our own peril, because the lessons have to be internalized. >> you and anthony weiner both ahead in the polls in your relative races. what does that tell you about the american public's power of forgiveness? >> i don't read too much into polls. i would say this, the american public is a forgiving public. that is an affirmative quality in us as a people. it doesn't mean that forgiveness will be extend to me. this is a tough race, and the media can be edgy and i knew that. this is not something that escaped my attention. >> there's been a lot of speculation whether your wife is ...

Zimmerman trial. >> let's do that. >> let's get back to my interview with rachel jeantel. you tweeted would i like rachel jeantel to fly my plane. why would you say that? >> because after you interviewed her you went on television the next morning and called her one smart cooky. bull. hire her as a nanny -- >> do you think she's stupid, larpry? >> i think you're stupid for saying that -- >> that wasn't my question. do you think rachel jeantel -- do you think she's stupid. >> race is not a major problem in america. the number one problem facing black people are the large number of black people ...