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>> neil: i don't know. i covered at the time. that was a close call. that was a close call. every prominent democrat voted to stop it. you are right nretrospect tdidn't happen and like the prior incidents, it never happened. but i just worry about giving a president of either party cart blanch authority to go ahead and raise the debt ceiling t. does take away, what little incentive and back bone there is to show a back bone, doesn't it? >> i don't agree. neil, i have a lot of respect for you and this show. i just don't agree with you. what i wish would happen right now, let paul ryan -- the republicans are in control of the house. they have a budget committee chairman who is nationally regarded, vice-president of the republican party. let him hold hearings, engage the american people, pass a budget, challenge the democrats to meet him halfway -- >> neil: i am not saying -- [overlapping dialogue] >> neil: but they do come up with budgets. the senate has yet to introduce

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