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russian forces still occupy europe's biggest nuclear power plant at zaporizhzhia. the situation there remains unstable. my guest, rafael grossi, director general of the international nuclear watchdog, the iaea, has been there in an effort to avert disaster. with zaporizhzhia in mind, why is he pushing for more nuclear power right across the world? thank you, it's good to be with you again, hello. it's great to have you on the show. i think we have to begin with the situation in zaporizhzhia, the huge nuclear power plant in ukraine. you've spent months trying to stabilise the situatio...

And we will say it, "you are hiding something from us and you should not be doing that." are they hiding things from you? they are not. i mean, they are not hiding... so you trust them? you trust the russians, do you? no, no, no. you know, my principle is that i trust everybody, but i verify everything. all right? so, they tell me this, ok, then i go and see. then i go and check, and then, i can confirm whether this is correct or not. i'm not, you know, passing valuejudgment. i'm an inspector, you know? so i have my ideas, i have my convictions, but when it comes to inspecting, i set those asi...