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Gumption, let's just say to be anatomically neutral about it. you have gone through all those phases. you know who you are, what you're about and that's why you believe the things you do and argue for and against what you do. rare qualities in leaders these days on the lerkelected side. >> we don't reward people who are evidential thinkers and independent their view. we're kindred spirits in this regard. i don't subscribe to those faux ideological boxes. all liberal, progressive or all conservative. it's not how i view the world. it's not how people that i interact with view the world. >> why ...

>> because passion rules. it rules the airwaves, as much as i hate to admit it, and consequently the stranglehold many of those have over the elected officials and primary voters i think has discourttorte entire process from the country. >> smerconish family comes from coal country. in terms of the immigrant process, do you think your family would have the same success if they came to the country now as they did back then? >> i would hope so -- >> by the way, no easy path. you'll read it in the book. >> right. >> i'm saying, what do you think? >> i think that we were very fortunate. my father'...