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. i mentioned earlier growing frustration inside the beltway, as congressional investigators are trying to get to the bottom of the irs targeting scandal. some now say they fear lois lerner, at the center of the investigation, and all her missing e-mails, those e-mails will never be found. our fox news political insiders are here, and you can join the conversation at twitter #frw. pat caudle on the level of your screen. next to him is doug shone, former pollster for president bill clinton, and here at home base in new york city with me, john le butilier. gentlemen, the response on twitter ha...

Cripple obamacare, so does shutting the whole government down which got us nothing, and we still have obamacare. surgically we could have gone in there and taken it out. we have another chance. this scandal is a political gold mine for the republicans if they do it right. >> at the heart of it, though, and pat, i want to get your response to this. at the heart of this, though, is something very serious. this was not just conservative groups. they looking for the names tea party, but also pro-israel groups. this is about liberty in this country, pat. >> this is about free speech, liberty, gover...

Democratic values when you tie it into the executive orders of the president and arguable abuse of power. we really need to get to the bottom of what's going on, and i don't think that, frankly, immunity for lois lerner is the way to do it. >> all right. a couple things here. i want to pop up some numbers on the screen. the next question is how problematic or toxic is this issue? first we started sealing some polls dropping for the president right when the scandal brought about a year ago. look at what's on your screen? those surveyed said 76% believe that the irs e-mails were destroyed delibe...

To get her to talk so we can find out what happened? >> even if you gave her immunity, why would we trust a word she says? she's proven to be a partisan hack, who has probably already lied under oath, but definitely her whole demeanor has been anti-the truth. i wouldn't trust her. the other way to go is bigger picture. stop funding the irs until -- >> can you do that? >> yes, instead of shutting the whole government down, which they did last year, shut down the one department that nobody likes, which is the irs, until they turn over the e-mails. >> susan le may says on twitter, and i would ask...

Snowden, he could probably find them. >> i've heard it. pat? >> if we're offering millions to capture people in the taliban, whoever, or the al qaeda, tal bans, how about let's do this? i bet you if you offered $10 million to someone to solve this problem, i'll bet you could get them. >> that's a great idea. >> look at that. okay. all of this fits into what some persons are describing as a little scandal fatigue. one of the things the administration is dealing with now are the accusations of overreaching. the u.s. supreme court bit back a bit on where the president has recently used his pen an...