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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:01:26:00

was and is an experienced policeman. he's been on the force for 18 years. so what about that milky white substance he says the sheriff told him was found in jennifer's body, which was at the heart of pat's suggestion that jennifer's death could have been caused by some inappropriate sexual event involving tom? >> how does he know? by coincidence, he writes this script where he's bringing ice cream to the murder scene. and lo and behold, the detective has this milky white substance in the vagina. >> reporter: but aren't you taking two and two and coming up with five? >> no, i don't think so. >> reporter: he's fictionally writing about him being there with ice cream. >> and you think it's a coincidence that he shows up in his script that he places himself at the murder scene minutes before his sister's murder and he's bringing a substance that after fire could be melted down and be a milky white substance? do you think that's a coincidence? i don't. >> reporter: why would it be white? maybe it's chocolate ice cream. >> well, they didn't say that. >> reporter: well, you don't know, do you?

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:01:16:00

underneath her bed and doused those with gasoline in addition to dousing her body. >> i spoke with the florence county coroner and discussed these items. he indicated to me that he did not remember telling tom morgan any of these facts. >> reporter: and that's about the point pat's theorys took a turn toward something way out there, something no one else had even imagined, some sort of sexual dysfunction between tom and his sister. >> in the one telephone conversation i had with the florence county detective, he informed me that after jennifer morgan was murdered, there was an unknown milky white substance in her vagina. >> reporter: what set it off was that phrase. pat recalled that the florence county investigator, kenny boone, told him that an unidentified substance may have been found in jennifer's body. >> was this milky white substance placed there as a result of an assault, including oral sex? >> reporter: what could that substance have been? well, how about ice cream?

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:01:18:00

have helped cover up the murder by dousing her body in gasoline and setting it on fire. all these years, pat suggested, jennifer's whole family may have been involved in a massive cover-up. the documentary ended with what pat intended as the climactic interview. >> i'm on your side, but there's people out there that have been telling me stuff. >> reporter: here tom has no idea that a microphone and two cameras are placed in the room. pat is moving in for the kill. for what he hopes will be tom's confession. >> tom, i know you're at your sister's accident, jen's accident. >> no, i wasn't. >> tom i know you were. >> i know for two years you've been telling me things that put you at your sister's accident. >> tom listen to me what i'm telling you, i was not at -- i

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:01:32:00

premiere, pat admits he never did check out the alibi. >> were you able to verify any of his so-called alibis? >> well, the last_well, the last alibi, i did not. at that point it just seemed like i'd be chasing another one of his lies anyway. >> reporter: you set up a high tech sting operation -- >> yes, i did. >> in this hotel room. >> yes. >> because you wanted to trap him and because you wanted to get him to confess to you that he had killed his sister. and you were terribly upset when he didn't confess to it. when he said, no you've got it all wrong. you've got it all wrong. >> i was disappointed that we didn't get to the bottom of the matter. >> reporter: but remember one of pat's insinuations went beyond all the others. and that was this. based on nothing more than his own analysis of a fictionalized story, pat surmised in his very

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:00:43:00

pat moug, the livonia, michigan, acting cop looked like a cross between mr. clean and kojak. a big friendly bundle of gung ho. and moug had already done it. he had made an independent film, directed and starred in it himself, a movie called "the ugly one." >> you always said i should start fighting again. >> in a ring with gloves and rules. >> the fact that moug was a detective was a bonus, tom figured. >> i've been a police officer for 18 years. >> another experienced set of eyes to consider the evidence. >> i felt that being a police officer, someone that was a detective in sex crimes, i thought i'd be able to bring something to jennifer's story that other filmmakers might not be able to do. >> plus, moug had a great idea. why not make a promotional video about tom's project? >> in 2002 i met tom morgan. tom morgan had written a screenplay called "brothers." >> neither one of them had the money to make tom's movie.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:01:06:00

to go down. >> hey, pat, it's tom again. >> reporter: the undercover road. the old policeman's trick of using a lie to get at the truth. first pat looked through the interviews he'd already shot before he was dropped from the movie project. for example, the conversation with tom, back when they were making that investor's video, this, it seemed to pat, justified his suspicions. >> what would you want to be done to the person, have you thought about that? >> whatever the court decides. >> right there. whatever the court decide, that's the number one answer of a crime they're usually involved in. subconsciously you don't want to say what is the normal answer, that they should go to jail. >> reporter: as the interview continued, pat heard other suspicious statements. for one thing, that odd story of the way tom's dad told him about jennifer's death. >> i remember that day. i was at a friend's house in charlotte.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:08:42:00

having sex with a married woman and i was doing other things that i wasn't too proud of and so i left. >> reporter: we stopped again during the scene at jennifer's old trailer park. that's the time when pat moug suggested tom knew too much about the killing, that he suggested tom knew too much knew things only the murderer would know. >> they took all the sweaters and put those under her bed and doused them with gasoline. >> hold on a second. where did you get the information you're using there? >> we were all speculating at the time. what's interesting about his interview is that we'd all had conversation, and pat as a police officer says, well what do you think about this? or how could this have happened? or whatever. >> he was speculating, too. >> everybody was. you know it's like these bits and pieces of conversation that he's just drawn out to make this into a -- >> to make it look like a lie? >> to make it look -- yeah, to make it contradict itself. >> reporter: then a few minutes

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:01:17:00

in his fictional movie script, tom had put himself at his sister's home just before the murder, bringing ice cream. and that became part of pat's evidence, that tom may have sexually assaulted and killed his sister. >> so what do you think happened? >> he had unhealthy relationship with his sister. >> what do you mean unhealthy relationship? >> that's as far as i'm going to go? >> do you mean incestuous relationship? >> it might have been perceived. the whole take on the boyfriend, there's an unhealthy assumption on his part that that boyfriend has to be the only suspect. and that's -- that is something i can testify to. he does not like anyone else being named a suspect other than her college boyfriend. >> reporter: but remarkably, pat had even darker suspicions. if tom killed his sister, then according to pat, jennifer's own father and her other brother may

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:01:15:00

fudging. also, there was the way tom talked about the weather on the day of the murder. >> if i remember, this was almost the identical weather that it was. >> reporter: as if he was right there when it happened. >> he does not use the wording that this was the weather in charlotte or this was the weather in michigan or that he was told this was the weather like that day. >> reporter: and remember that watch police found in jennifer's hand after the fire and the bracelet and ring tom said his father found at the grave? tom suggested those were left by his suspect, chris woodson. but pat came to a different conclusion. it's your suspicion tom is -- >> my suspicion is that it's connected that, this staged event at the murder scene is -- the ring is possibly staged. >> did you ever ask tom about that? >> no. >> reporter: and there was pat's suspicion that tom knew too much about the murder if he wasn't around to witness it. >> they took all of the wetters out of the car, put them all

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20151122:08:45:00

said that he wasn't gonna make the film that i'd be sorry. >> reporter: tom's mother says she could scarcely believe pat moug could imply such an awful lie about her family. >> i am totally a mother hen, i will fight tooth and nail, i will go to the wall for this. there is no way anyone will come down and ruin my son's reputation without an awful lot of hardcore facts. and i don't think they can give me one. >> you're pretty angry about this. >> angry that my son will be hurt, yeah. >> reporter: and angry, said tom's dad, that police would consider his son a suspect based on what jim morgan claimed were pat's lies. what are you worried about now? i worry about tom. law enforcement can really turn the screws down if they want to. >> reporter: and wouldn't the police want to, in light of pat moug's allegations? and didn't florence county sheriff kenny boone appreciate all of pat moug's suggestions

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